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- The Unbeatable Craps System Iron Cross Variation. This is a very powerful technique for dominating a craps table.
- The Unbeatable Iron Cross isn't as perfect as the name suggests but it is a legitimate system and it can be a very engaging way to play the game. Win big with the Iron Cross at Cherry Casino! The Unbeatable Iron Cross Variation has gained a lot of hype on the internet mostly because of the enticing name, but it does deserve an explanation.
- Our $30 systems player has dug an $8,250 hole before getting to the point of making any place bets. From here on, the system makes a comeback, as the player makes place bets that pay either 9-5 on winning bets if the number is 4 or 10, 7-5 on 5 or 9, or 7-6 on 6 or 8.
- The Sevens to Rolls Ratio. There are 36 combinations that can be made from of a pair of dice and six ways to attain a seven. This means that, with a random roll, the mathematical probability of a seven appearing will be once in every six rolls, which is a 'Sevens to Rolls Ratio (SRR)' of 6.
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In the 1980s, when the Captain first explained his 5-Count method for selecting shooters to bet on at craps, he stated that the 5-Count would do three things that could help turn a negative-expectation game into a positive expectation game: It would eliminate around 50 percent of the shooters, those who in the aggregate would lose you money.
There are various betting strategy and systems used in Craps gambling. The biggest fallacy is that using systems swings the odds in your favour. In the Casino game of Craps (Bank Craps) all the bets are in the house’s favour. Although you can place large Free Odds bets to insure your losses and reduce the house’s edge, this also reduces the amount you can win. Remember that to place Free Odds bets (0% house edge) you need to have placed a Pass/Don’t Pass Line bet, meaning the overall odds are still negative value.
The Paroli System
This is my favourite system for Craps. It is a positive progressive betting system where you increase your bets after winning, but decrease your bets when you lose. The advantage is that is never forces you to wager more money than your starting bet.
Bet | Outcome | Net Win |
$5 | Win | $5 |
$10 | Win | $15 |
$20 | Win | $35 |
The Martingale System
This is the system most players are familiar with. It involves placing 50/50 bets in craps such as the Pass Line/Don’t Pass. When you lose, you double your wager next time. E.g. lose $5, bet $10.
The Martingal system is very dangerous however. Just like doubling up in Blackjack, you can end up making massive wagers after just a few losses. On average, every 4 hours you’ll lose 9 coin flips in a row. This equates to making a $1,280 wager from starting at $5 and losing 9 times.
The Iron Cross Betting System
The Iron Cross system isn’t really it a system at all. It involves placing a series of specific Free Odds and Field bets so that the House edge is minimised. It works by placing a field bet and a bet on the numbers 5, 6 and 8. (The field bet pays 1:1 when the dice lands on a 3,4,9,10,11 and 2:1 on 2 or 12). Basically you win on any number other than 7, meaning you win 80% of the time.
The problem with this system is that it isn’t technically profitable. Although you’re guaranteed to win 80% of the time, you lose all of your bets if the dice rolls a 7 which means the house maintains an edge of about 4% overall.
The Twelve-Dollar 6 and 8 System in Craps
Let’s wrap up the systems to use by giving you one that I believe everybody should adopt. It is based on the following truths:
- Most craps players like to bet “right”
- Most right players (90 percent) prefer the 6 and 8 as their place numbers
- Most players in a casino have restricted bankrolls
That last statement means that the average bankroll for 80 percent of all players is approximately $300. That is a lot of money in the real world, but small by the standards of playing tables with $5 minimums.
When you break that $300 into sessions, and you should – you know that by now – you have $100 to bring to battle. When you set a loss limit at 50 percent, as you also should, it’s obvious you’re restricted as to the moves you can make, but that happens to be the reality of gambling.
You know all the pluses for this play, so let’s go over the negatives:
- You aren’t going to buy that yacht you had your heart set on from these winnings
- You aren’t going to retire at age twenty-six with a million dollars in the bank
- You aren’t going to be hailed as the most aggressive player who ever stepped up to a table
Finally, a few reminders:
- Chart the tables to find a game kicking off 6s and 8s
- Set loss limits (no more than 50 percent)
- Restrict your losing series to three in succession
- Accept small returns
If every single, solitary craps player in the world used this system in the casinos for one month, I wonder what the casinos would do. Try it, you’ll see. You can do so with a $22 NO DEPOSIT Bonus From SlotsLV Casino – CLICK HERE
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Basically you are using a mechanical system that has no way a telling if the shooter will make it past six roll the dice! Then you have to also look at, the math of the game, which says most players will never get pass eight rolls of the dice!
People that are trying to sell you something love to confuse you with facts and figures, the only problem is, they leave out the most important ones! Like most people never make it pass eight the dice!
What they managed to do with just five count was, piss off every casino there is, with players waiting five rolls of the dice before they make their first bet, you have to remember that casinos make their money off of rolls per hour. The way they look at it is, if you're standing there and not betting you are costing them money!
Just imagine when a school parades all of their students into one casino and they take over the tables and using the five count that they just learned. If you've ever been in Vegas and had the misfortune of being at a craps table when they descended on it like a swarm of locusts playing musical shooters as they swapped out shooters in SL1 and all of them using the five count, you could see why a casino wouldn't want any so-called DI's playing on their tables!
These schools love to use the gimmick of having all of their students taking over a table, and trying to put on a show, it's nothing more then a advertising gimmick for them. Sometimes one of their students do manage to get on a roll, and it might sell someone else on taken their class.
You have to remember, if they all are losing you wouldn't even notice them at the table, they would all be standing there, with sad little faces and empty chip racks! There would be no screaming and shouting!
Don't kid yourself into using a five count, evaluate the players that you want to bet on, don't let a mechanical system do it for you. After all,.. By now everybody should know that systems do not work!
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Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction!
Conceptually, it seems to achieve its goal of avoiding early PSO's, if only because the player is out of action during the early part of a roll.
Of course, it does nothing to increase a player's odds of winning: that is the important thing to remember.
All craps players have an approach to the game, a method of play; whether you start every shoot by betting $160 across, or $10 don't pass, we must all choose SOME way of betting, and that's all the five count is: an arbitrary method of play.
Me, I prefer to place six and eight and progress and spread out a bit if a roll heats up; Frank prefers the five count.
We each handle the reality of craps in our own way.
Frank prefers the five count.
We each handle the reality of craps in our own way.
That must make him feel real good.
In this video
he says at 4:52
'the five-count is the only shooter selection system
that has been proven to work in a massive study of 200 million shooters'
Well, move over 5 Count, you ain't the only one. Others work as well or even better.
I have shown two other systems that do actually better than the 5 count.
The Alan 4 count and run and
the 6 roll count and bet
It also says this on youtube
'The 5-Count will save you money, get you in on long rolls and help you get more comps.'
In an earlier post I showed that there are no such things as long rolls.
That is included in the length of a shooters hand probability distribution.
All short and long rolls are included in that distribution.
Here is another article that comes to a wrong conclusion over at Golden Touch Craps
The 7 count because the 5 count may be too hard to count.
'My friend knows the 5-count but prefers to count rolls instead.'
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/skinny0006.shtml
'We know from another of Dr. Catlin's studies 57% of random shooters do not make it past the 5-count.'
This is NOT true. another misunderstanding of simulation data.
I and SN Ethier calculated that the 5 count
probability achieve the 5-count = 0.513626686 or about 51.4%
So about 48.6% of random shooters do not make it past the 5-count
What the 5 count actually does is bet on *less rolls on average per shooter*
proportion of rolls bet on = 0.434930249 or about 43.5% meaning on average 56.5% of rolls are not bet on.
Not 57% of shooters are not being bet on.
Of course it is very possible using the 5 count that the very next 5 shooters will all fail to make it past the 5 count.
such is the nature of random events.
I show the stats on the X-roll count and bet system in another post for those so interested.
The 6 roll count (then bet) and the Alan 4 count (and stop betting until next shooter)
has a lower expected loss per shooter than does the 5 Count. (making the same $ bets and type of bets)
now more choices (shooter selection system) betting on random rollers.
Sally Oh
Thank you.
Sally, can you point me to the discussion about the Allan 4 count and the 6 roll count method you mention in your above post?
Thank you.
That is a great post that Sally wrote. You should read it. But to summarize, if you stay out of craps action for 4,5,6 or any number of rolls, you will lose less money. You will not win, you will simply lose less.
But the original post by SuperRick says about the same thing. Read that also.
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http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/14166-5-count/
Here's my dilemma or perhaps lack of understanding on these stats.
Alan's 4 Count. I can't find it now but I thought that somewhere the Wizard come up with 3.2 as the ______________number of rolls?
Meanwhile there is this article showing 3.37 rolls.
https://www.dicecoach.com/articlearch.asp?ID=47
So, wouldn't you be at risk waiting for those 4 rolls? And since the Wizard/Catlin came up with 8.53 as the average number of rolls wouldn't the shooter also be at risk by betting after 6 rolls; or especially the 8th as shown here?
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/article.php?p=skinny0006.html
Why not wait for the 9th roll? I know it looks kinda long in the tooth, but.......
Tks for any feedback.